The Spiritual Ramification Of Dialogue. by Dean Gotcher

The Spiritual Ramification Of Dialogue.
(Personal note.)

by
Dean Gotcher

"Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me." John 14:6

"For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother." Matthew 12:50

"For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world." 1 John 2:16

When discussion is used to know the truth, in order (as in "old" world order) to do right and not wrong according to established commands, rules, facts, and truth, truth is the objective, i.e., the desired/intended outcome, making you subject to the father's/Father's authority, having to humble, deny, die to, control, discipline your "self" in order to do the father's/Father's will (Hebrews 12:5-11), engendering a guilty conscience in you when you do wrong, disobey, sin, i.e., "lust" (Romans 7:14-25), leading to you either repenting, asking for forgiveness, doing right and not wrong or trying not to get caught—"belief-action dichotomy." In a discussion you must suspend, as upon a cross, your carnal desires, i.e., your "self interests," i.e., your "lusts" of the 'moment' that the world is stimulating in order to hear and receive the truth.

"Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me. For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it. For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul? For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works." Matthew 16:24-27

Conversely, when dialogue is used to 'discover' the "truth," "lust," i.e., "self interest" is the objective, i.e., the desired/intended outcome, making 'truth' subjective, i.e., subject to your and the other person's carnal desires, i.e., "self interest," i.e., "lusts" of the 'moment' that the world (the situation) is stimulating (Genesis 3:1-6)—in order (as in "new" world order) for you and the other person to "lust" after the carnal pleasures of the 'moment' that the world is stimulating without having a guilty conscience, i.e., to "lust" with impunity, i.e., with each others approval (affirmation), 'justifying' your "self," blaming the situation or someone else when you are caught, not being able to admit or say you are wrong, only, at the most, admitting or saying you did things "badly" (which is not a crime), promising to do things "better" the next time (maybe)—"theory and practice." In dialogue you must suspend, as upon a cross any command, rule, fact, or truth that (or person who) gets in the way of your carnal desires, i.e., your "self interest," i.e., your "lusts" of the 'moment' that the world (the situation) is stimulating.

"And he said unto them, Ye are they which justify yourselves before men; but God knoweth your hearts: for that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God." Luke 16:15

"Every one of us shall give account of himself to God." Romans 14:12

By bringing dialogue, i.e., "lust," i.e., "self interest" into an environment of discussion, i.e., an environment seeking facts and truth, confusion, i.e., the merging (fusing) of opposites, i.e., "feeling" ("lusts") and facts and truth (cognitive dissonance) ensues, resulting in "lust," i.e., "self interest" overcoming (negating) discussion, making "facts" and "truth" subject to "lust," i.e., to the person's and/or "the groups" "self interest," i.e., "lusts" of the 'moment,' making "lust" the objective, i.e., the desired/intended outcome. The objective of usurping discussion, i.e., replacing established commands, rules, facts, and truth, i.e., "I know" with dialogue, i.e., with opinions, i.e., with "I feel" and "I think" is to "prevent someone who KNOWS from filling the empty space." (Wilfred Bion, A Memoir of the Future) "The empty space" is where you dialogue with your "self," i.e., where you 'justify' your "lusts" of the 'moment' that the world (the current situation) is stimulating. In this room, i.e., the "empty space," where dialogue prevails the lazy, the incompetent, and the vicious pass through unrestrained on their way to go out and do what they do "best," i.e., do nothing, do things wrong, or destroy whatever (whoever) gets in their way (in the name of "the group," in the name of "the people," in the name of "the environment," in the name of any "social-ist cause," i.e., for their "self," i.e., for the fun, i.e., for the "lust" of it). It is this "safe place/space/zone," where you dialogue with your "self," 'justifying' your "self," i.e., your "self interests," i.e., your "lusts, that those "lusting" after the carnal pleasures of the 'moment' want you to "build relationship," keeping their "self," i.e., their "empty space" clear of the truth, i.e., free from having a guilty conscience for doing wrong, disobeying, sinning, i.e., for "lusting," so they can do wrong, disobey, sin, i.e., "lust" with impunity, i.e., with your approval (affirmation), i.e., so they, dying in their sins, can be cast into the lake of fire that is never quenched along with you.

"And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever." 1 John 2:16

"Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven." Matthew 7:21

"There is a way that seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death." Proverbs 16:25

"The heart is deceitful above all things [thinking pleasure is the standard for "good" instead of doing the father's/Father's will, i.e., having to set aside your carnal desires ("lusts") of the 'moment' that the world is stimulating, i.e., having to humble, deny, die to, control, discipline your "self" in order (as in "old" world order) to do the father's/Father's will, i.e., in order to do right and not wrong according the father's/Father's established commands, rules, facts, and truth], and desperately wicked [hating the father's/Father's authority that "gets in the way," i.e. that prevents, i.e., inhibits or blocks you from enjoying the carnal pleasures of the 'moment' that the world stimulates]: who can know it?" Jeremiah 17:9

You can not see your hate of restraint as being evil, i.e., "wicked" ("desperately wicked") because your love of pleasure, i.e., "lust," i.e., "self interest" (getting in the way) blinds you to it. Like a drug, pleasure (dopamine emancipation), i.e., "self interest," i.e., "the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life," i.e., that which the world stimulates blinds you to your hatred toward restraint, i.e., hatred toward the father's/Father's authority, i.e., blinds you to your "wickedness" which is being expressed toward those who are preventing (or trying to prevent) you from having access to the drug, i.e., to pleasure (dopamine emancipation) when you are doing wrong, disobeying, sinning—making you not just wicked but "desperately wicked" in your effort to attain it, keep it, or get it back. All man can do is 'justify' his "self" when he 'creates' a "healthy environment" in order to 'create' a "healthy person." No environment he 'creates' can resolve the human heart, i.e., his love of pleasure, i.e., his "lusting" after the carnal things of the world (including the affirmation, i.e., the praises of men) and his hate of restraint, i.e., his hate of the father's/Fathers' authority that gets in the way.

"It is not in man that walketh to direct his steps." Jeremiah 10:23

"Prior to therapy the person is prone to ask himself, 'What would my parents want me to do?' During the process of therapy [dialogue] the individual comes to ask himself, 'What does it mean to me?'" (Carl Rogers, on becoming a person: A Therapist View of Psychotherapy)

"Take heed therefore that the light which is in thee be not darkness." Luke 11:35

When it comes to right and wrong, good and evil there is much to be lost when you turn to dialogue in order to know the truth. When dialogue entered into the garden in Eden—in order to "know" right and wrong, good and evil—"the lust of the flesh," "the lust of the eyes," and "the pride of life," i.e., "self" ("lust") 'justification,' i.e., "I can decide what is right and what is wrong, what is good and what is evil from my 'self' (from my "lusts")," i.e., "seems to me" ("I think"), i.e., "lust" for pleasure and hatred toward restraint, i.e., the heart of man came to "light" and access to "the tree of life" was lost, i.e., death, judgment, and damnation, i.e., eternal death after death (the soul is eternal)—along with misery (hatred, unrest, turmoil, murder, etc., i.e., viciousness) on earth—ensued. "The thief ["lust," i.e., the heart of man, "What can I get out of this situation and/or this person for my 'self.'"] cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy:" John 10:10a

"... seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children [turning them over to their "lusts," i.e., to their own demise]." Hosea 4:6

"There are many stories of the conflict and tension that these new practices are producing between parents and children." (David Krathwohl, Benjamin S. Bloom, Taxonomy of Educational Objectives Book 2: Affective Domain)

Education has chosen the pathway of dialogue ("Bloom's Taxonomies," what I call secularized Satanism, intellectualized witch craft), making "the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life" right, doing the father's/Father's will wrong. All "educators" are certified and schools accredited today based upon their use of what are called "Blooms' Taxonomies" in the classroom, incorporating through dialogue "the deviant student's" ideology (Marxism) into the classroom curriculum, in the name of "tolerance." If you tolerate wrong, wrong becomes right, i.e., the "norm," making right, i.e., doing the father's/Father's will wrong.

"Bloom's Taxonomies" are "a psychological classification system" used "to develop attitudes and values ... which are not shaped by the parents." "Ordering" "different kinds of affective behavior," i.e., "the range of emotion(s)" "organized into value systems and philosophies of life." "It was the view of the group that educational objectives stated in the behavior form have their counterparts in the behavior of individuals, observable and describable therefore classifiable [true science is "observable and repeatable," i.e., objective, i.e., constant not "observable and describable," i.e., subject to an opinion, i.e., subject to 'change']." "Only those educational programs which can be specified in terms of intended student behaviors can be classified." "What we are classifying is the intended behavior of students—the ways in which individuals are to act, think, or feel as the result of participating in some unit of instruction." "The student must feel free to say he disliked _____ and not have to worry about being punished for his reaction." (Benjamin Bloom, et al., Taxonomy of Educational Objectives, Book 1: Cognitive Domain)

"The affective domain is, in retrospect, a virtual 'Pandora's Box' [a "box" full of evils, which once opened, can not be closed].' It is in this 'box' that the most influential controls are to be found." "In fact, a large part of what we call "good teaching" is the teacher's ability to attain affective objectives through challenging the student's fixed beliefs and getting them to discuss issues." "The affective domain contains the forces that determine the nature of an individual's life and ultimately the life of an entire people." (David Krathwohl, Benjamin S. Bloom, Taxonomy of Educational Objectives Book 2: Affective Domain)

"According to Freud, the drive toward ever larger unities belongs to the biological-organic nature of Eros itself." "If the guilt accumulated in the civilized domination of man by man can ever be redeemed by freedom, then the 'original sin' must be committed again: 'We must again eat from the tree of knowledge in order to fall back into the state of innocence.'" (Herbert Marcuse, Eros and Civilization: A philosophical inquiry into Freud)

"To experience Freud is to partake a second time of the forbidden fruit." "According to Freud, the ultimate essence of our being is erotic, and demands activity according to the pleasure-principle." "Eros is the foundation of morality." (Norman O. Brown, Life Against Death: The Psychoanalytical Meaning of History)

"Experience ["lust" and "pride"] is, for me, the highest authority." "Neither the Bible nor the prophets, neither the revelations of God can take precedence over my own direct experience ["lusts" and "pride"]." "The words 'seem to' ["I think" from my "lusts" and "pride"] are significant; it is the perception which functions in guiding behavior." (Rogers)

"Rejoice, O young man, in thy youth; and let thy heart cheer thee in the days of thy youth, and walk in the ways of thine heart, and in the sight of thine eyes: but know thou, that for all these things God will bring thee into judgment." Ecclesiastes 11:9

"For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables." 2 Timothy 4:3, 4

The apostate "church" is built upon the foundation of dialogue, i.e., the dialoguing of men's opinions to a consensus, 'justifying' their "self," i.e., their "lust of the flesh," their "lust of the eyes," and their "pride of life" before one another. The assembly of believers is built upon the preaching, teaching, and discussing of the Word of God, by faith in Christ Jesus, doing the Father's will, by the power of the Holy Spirit. In dialogue you are "building relationship" with others on "lust," i.e., your and their carnal desires of the 'moment,' i.e., "self interest" that the world is stimulating. In discussion you are "fellowshipping" with those who are seeking after and who KNOW the truth, that you along with them might do the Father's will.

"And truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ." 1 John 3:1

"Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God." James 4:4

"Thus saith the LORD; Cursed be the man that trusteth in man, and maketh flesh his arm, and whose heart departeth from the LORD." " Blessed is the man that trusteth in the LORD, and whose hope the LORD is." Jeremiah 17:5, 7

"Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness? And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel? And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you, And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty." 2 Corinthians 6:14-18

Facilitators of 'change,' i.e., psychologists, i.e., behavioral "scientists," i.e., "group psychotherapists," i.e., Marxists (Transformational Marxists)—all being the same in method or formula—are using the dialoguing of opinions to a consensus (affirmation) process, i.e., dialectic 'reasoning' ('reasoning' from/through the students "feelings" of the 'moment,' i.e., from/through their "lust" for pleasure and their hate of restraint, in the "light" of their desire for group approval, i.e., affirmation and fear of group rejection) in the "group grade," "safe zone/space/place," "Don't be negative, be positive," soviet style, brainwashing (washing the father's/Father's authority from the children's thoughts and actions, i.e., "theory and practice," negating their having a guilty conscience, which the father's/father's authority engenders, for doing wrong, disobeying, sinning in the process—called "the negation of negation" since the father's/Father's authority and the guilty conscience, being negative to the child's carnal nature, is negated in dialogue—in dialogue, opinion, and the consensus process there is no father's/Father's authority), inductive 'reasoning' ('reasoning' from/through the students "feelings," i.e., their natural inclination to "lust" after the carnal pleasures of the 'moment'—dopamine emancipation—which the world stimulates, i.e., their "self interest," i.e., their "sense experience," selecting "appropriate information"—excluding, ignoring, or resisting, i.e., rejecting any "inappropriate" information, i.e., established command, rule, fact, or truth that gets in the way of their desired outcome, i.e., pleasure—in determining right from wrong behavior), "Bloom's Taxonomy," "affective domain," French Revolution (Liberté, Égalité, Fraternité) classroom "environment" in order (as in "new" world order) to 'liberate' children from parental authority, i.e., from the father's/Father's authority system (the Patriarchal Paradigm)—seducing, deceiving, and manipulating them as chickens, rats, and dogs, i.e., treating them as natural resource ("human resource") in order to convert them into 'liberals,' socialists, globalists, so they, 'justifying' their "self" before one another, can do wrong, disobey, sin, i.e., "lust" with impunity.

"Thus saith the LORD, Stand ye in the ways, and see, and ask for the old paths, where is the good way, and walk therein, and ye shall find rest for your souls. But they said, We will not walk therein. Also I set watchmen over you, saying, Hearken to the sound of the trumpet. But they said, We will not hearken." Jeremiah 6:16, 17

Home schooling material, co-ops, conferences, etc., are joining in the same praxis, fulfilling Immanuel Kant's as well as Georg Hegel's, Karl Marx's, and Sigmund Freud's agenda of using the pattern or method of Genesis 3:1-6, i.e., "self" 'justification,' i.e., dialectic (dialogue) 'reasoning," i.e., 'reasoning' from/through your "feelings," i.e., your carnal desires of the 'moment' which are being stimulated by the world (including your desire for approval from others, with them affirming your carnal nature) in order to negate Hebrews 12:5-11, i.e., the father's/Father's authority, i.e., having to humble, deny, die to, control, discipline your "self" in order to do the father's/Father's will, negating Romans 7:14-25, i.e., your having a guilty conscience when you do wrong, disobey, sin, thereby negating your having to repent before the father/Father for your doing wrong, disobedience, sins—which is the real agenda.

"And for this cause [because men, as "children of disobedience," 'justify' their "self," i.e., 'justify' their love of "self" and the world, i.e., their love of the carnal pleasures of the 'moment' (dopamine emancipation) which the world stimulates over and therefore against the Father's authority] God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie [that pleasure is the standard for "good" instead of doing the Father's will]: That they all might be damned who believed not the truth [in the Father and in His Son, Jesus Christ], but had pleasure in unrighteousness [in their "self" and the pleasures of the 'moment,' which the world stimulates]." 2 Thessalonians 2:11, 12